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Greg Packham's avatar

I enjoyed your discussion at the Westport Ct. library on A Love Supreme. Keep up the good work !

Lewis Porter's avatar

Thank you Greg! This series is of course much more in depth. THANK YOU

David Kreuter's avatar

Lewis - our teacher - thank you. Insightful essay. Look forward to more of your thoughts. What always stands out to me is their professionalism one day laying down the crucible recording with Johnny Hartman and the next day the material released as Both Djrections at Once. 24 hours apart and completely different approaches to music. Coltrane was apparently looking at why things had a beginning middle and end. And they laid this art music down drove back to the city and played three sets. Pros. Some of the thoughts about structure of musical lines and parsing have much in common with linguistics and in turn computer programming. Deep and heavy stuff. I see the shape, form and overlaps with it all thanks again

Lewis Porter's avatar

Great comments David! THANK YOU

Sandeep Mehta's avatar

Lewis I couldn't resist this comment. At the North Sea Jazz Festival this summer, Charles Tolliver led/conducted an incredible performance of his arrangement of Africa/Brass. Just after, Ashley Kahn led a group discussion with Charles, Lakeisha Benjamin and Brandee Younger on spirituality and jazz which he started by playing Coltrane on his laptop. The questions and the direction he took the musicians was, to me, ignorant, simplistic, and moronic. We had to get up and walk away and frankly I lost all respect for him. This was an example of how gatekeeping in jazz works by self appointed pontificators. I'm glad I got that off my chest.

Lewis Porter's avatar

Thank you Sandeep. I'm curious to hear more about what went wrong there. Please write to me by private email. Meanwhile, I'm hoping that Tolliver's version of Africa/Brass is online somewhere--will look for it. THANK YOU

Gerard Wiggins's avatar

Looking forward to reading more about "A Love Supreme." Thanks!

Lewis Porter's avatar

Thanks—this will be more than 10 essays! THANKS GERARD

Gerard Wiggins's avatar

Well, I'm excited to hear that!

Terry Hoffman's avatar

Lewis, your newsletter is a gem and has me in a quandary! I'm a paid subscriber to a half-dozen already, and a Patreon supporter of two others. I wish I could pony up for yours, but I'm tapped out (for now). Being a bit older than you, and pensioned off doesn't help.

In the small town in New Jersey, where I grew up, it was my great good fortune to have a public library where a jazz aficionado must have been choosing the records which could be borrowed. In the mid-60's I was a fledgling guitar player and beginning to listen seriously to jazz - as seriously as I could, given my limited exposure. But as you must know, the NYC area was blessed with several radio stations that played jazz (WADO, WLIB, WRVR) and the DJs helped introduce me to a lot of great music. I followed up my favourites by finding their records and taking them home for extended listening sessions. Kenny Burrell, Miles Davis, Cannonball Adderly Bill Evans, Wes Montgomery Dave Brubeck and eventually, John Coltrane became the pillars of my jazz exposure, along with many others.

When A Love Supreme came into the library, I borrowed it and got into it. I knew it was profound, an important statement. My 16 year-old mind didn't really know how to comprehend it, other than "sheets of sound" as my subscription to Downbeat told me. The spoken word section seemed interesting, although I was eons away from understanding its meaning.

Over the years, I have explored many artists, many styles, many eras, and twenty years ago began learning to play jazz guitar, which I continue now, in my dotage. I listen to Coltrane regularly, but save this masterpiece for when I'm alone (my wife favours funk, more than sheets of sound, and Apartment 901 is a bit small). The day that Coltrane's death was publicized, I was in shock - the memory of where I was and how I felt stays with me, just as Otis Redding's does. They are up there with JFK's, and in some ways, the loss feels deeper.

Thanks for your erudite writing, Lewis. You have a great newsletter, and I'm gonna find a way to help pay my way one of these days!

Lewis Porter's avatar

Thanks much for these great memories. No worries about paying--I appreciate your reading and subscribing. By the way, I too started with public libraries, WLIB and WRVR. I'll talk about that some day. THANK YOU TERRY

Ian Foster's avatar

Great read. I wrote a paper on this album in university, and it was my first introduction to Coltrane and his music more than twenty years ago. I ended up buying the then new Legacy box set put together by his son Ravi, and enjoyed the thematic arranging of that set. This essay brought back memories, and I've been listening to Love Supreme again. Look forward to reading future essays from you on it!

Lewis Porter's avatar

Thanks much Ian. Yes, I remember talking with Ravi when he was putting together that interesting set. THANK YOU IAN!

Steve Cournane's avatar

Thanks for these , really looking forward to digging in

Nat Birchall's avatar

Interesting reading, I'm going to check out your other writings about the album. In the meantime, I can't say that I agree with your view that Crescent was assembled by Bob Thiele from "isolated tracks". It's true that the music was recorded at two different sessions but the first session yielded earlier versions of Crescent and Bessie's Blues from the completed album (plus a brief version of Song of Praise) so I believe Trane had the concept of having all the five tracks as one album before he went to the studio. And (the short version of Song of Praise aside) it would predate his saying "for the first time I have everything ready" for his A Love Supreme session. (Actually come to think of it, Song of Praise would have been more in keeping with the mood of the album, rather than Bessie's Blues, which I concur is a little out of step.)

Lewis Porter's avatar

It may be that you are missing my main point, which is that producers, especially then (and even now in the pop world) chose the tunes and the sequence. Yes, Coltrane would have come in with some tunes that he wanted to record, but it was the producer who assembled them into an album. And yes, in this case there wasn't much for Thiele to choose from, but it was still up to him. If I recall correctly, it was Alice who said that John said "for the first time I have everything ready," but if so, doesn't that contradict your idea that Trane had Crescent all planned? Not to mention the blues, which you and I agree doesn't fit, and "Song of Praise," which was rejected, probably by Thiele? THANK YOU NAT.

Nat Birchall's avatar

No I didn't miss your point, which is a well known procedure, even down to giving songs titles sometimes. But the fact that Trane went into the studio again a few weeks after the first session and rerecorded versions of Crescent and Bessie's Blues, and no other titles, seems to me to point to him wanting those five tracks to be on the album. I'm not saying he had the track sequence arranged before he went to the studio, as it seems he did with A Love Supreme (He makes a point of saying "in a suite" according to Alice Coltrane) but I think he had an idea of what he wanted with this particular album. Just my own conjecture of course! Thanks :)

Lewis Porter's avatar

Yes, all good. By the way, the producer's role is indeed well known to us musicians but in my experience it is Not known among the lay public nor even among critics (who often ask me why Coltrane "chose" to put tunes in such and such sequence). With Supreme there is no question--if you read the other essays you will see that Coltrane left detailed notes about that album. I should mention that I very much enjoy your own music such as the album The SIxth Sense and others. THANK YOU NAT!