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Marty Ehrlich's avatar

Hi Lewis

I don’t think this question is about Earl Wilson as an individual. Calling white jazz musicians at the time “boys” might be done with some affection, even respect. It was and is never that within the racial history of America with Black artists.(Did Ella or Sarah get called a girl, I don’t know.). Note that Kid Ory answers back “Yes Sir” in that last clip as he knows he must. (And as the scriptwriters said he must). Who cares what Earl Wilson was as a person? Seems a nice guy. But he was continuing the racist hierarchy.

Of course Bird and Diz hated it. I cringe every time I hear Symphony Syd say “boy” to Bird. It was part and parcel of segregation and subjugation.

And in integrated jazz (visual) contexts, it has a different complexity. Maybe it puts Dick Hyman on the same naming level as Bird and Diz. But it doesn’t give Bird and Diz any equality that Dick Hyman was a Man (even a Jewish Man) out on the street.

And that older Black entertainers used it as you point out gives it no validity. Internalized behavior, using terms that they know will be acceptable within the racialized power dynamic of the time is no validation for calling Black men “boys.”

The far more interesting question for me is when did the use of that slight LEAVE acceptable mainstream discourse in the Jazz industry?

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Richard Williams's avatar

That's a very thoughtful and sensible analysis. Thank you.

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